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feeds@yuku.com (Beatdown) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:29:41 GMT

On the one hand, I think he should've been punished much more. Regardless of what he thought or whether or not I've been guilty of drunk driving myself, a man died. And when Man A dies due to the negligent actions of Man B, then Man B needs to pay dearly.

On the other hand, I feel a bit sorry for Stallworth. I made horrid decisions when I would drink. Shit that I would never ever do otherwise. I would think he may have learned his lesson and I'd hate for him to lose...

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feeds@yuku.com (Rebheaded Stranger) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:23:53 GMT

It's a six-lane highway that links Miami Beach and Miami and it's busy. And if he was only going 50, then he was going probably going about ten MPH less than most people who drive there. Miami traffic is fucked.

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feeds@yuku.com (Optimus Prime 4) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:08:48 GMT

this is similar. Oh, and that guy was not a professional athlete, so that argument is out the window.

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feeds@yuku.com (rebelrouseri) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:59:07 GMT

in this country. Look at the MS felony murder statute. If you go into a bank to rob it and some old geezer has a heart attack = felony murder in MS (or has this changed? it was that way when i was in law school). Speaking of which, i got a please donate to the new law school packet recently. It came w/ a free sticker (car sticker i have to assume) in the shape of an oval that had the word "LAW" in big three inch letters w/ University of Mississippi scrolled across the top in...

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feeds@yuku.com (HighLifeRebel) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:53:07 GMT

He had not been convicted, and any prosecutor would have to look at the facts of this case and realize that there were some serious evidence which could lead to reasonable doubt.

People often don't see how much intent plays into criminal law. We don't punish people for bad acts without a cupable mental state, or at least we didn't before MADD came along.

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feeds@yuku.com (rebelrouseri) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:43:48 GMT

1. He was .126 so he was pretty lit and he can most definitely afford a taxi or car service (he was in a Bentley);
2. When he was questioned after the accident, he said he flicked his lights at the pedestrian; wtf? you couldn't have braked instead?
3. After he hit the guy, he stayed there and called 911 and waited for the cops.
4. He was doing 50 in a 40mph speed limit and the guy (i believe) was j walking at the time.

His crime carried a potential 15...

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feeds@yuku.com (Optimus Prime 4) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:42:52 GMT

and it's hard to blame anyone who passed out then woke up in the morning.

When the cops say a sober person would have hit him, I tend to believe them.

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feeds@yuku.com (Optimus Prime 4) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:41:34 GMT

The police said it was basically unavoidable, anyone would have hit him, sober or not. Kind of like the guy who got off for killing the girl on Hwy 6.

Then, you add the family was ok with this. And as for people vs. dogs, INTENT. He had no intent, Vick did.

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feeds@yuku.com (RebelWheels) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:22:07 GMT

On your first point, I agree with you. It is worse if you kill on purpose than kill on accident. However, it is worse to kill a human than any number of dogs.

I disagree on your next point. I think that a greater danger to society is someone who gets behind the wheel so intoxicated that he runs over and kills somebody. Their actions demonstrate that they are an immediate danger to society. This is worse than somebody who has engaged in dog fighting. Although the dog fighter...

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feeds@yuku.com (RebelWheels) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:05:00 GMT

from a wrongful death claim against Vick.

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feeds@yuku.com (tupelotim) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:34:26 GMT

The victims family was better off with him playing and paying.

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feeds@yuku.com (LewisNixon) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:10:29 GMT

asdf

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feeds@yuku.com (LewisNixon) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:09:38 GMT

but knowing quite a bit about criminal law, I would say that the end result is more often than not the determining factor in how someone is charged. And I don't disagree that it takes a sorry, sadistic bastard to torture and kill animals, surely it does. And it speaks to the character of the person for sure. But in the end, an accidental killing of a human is worse than the deliberate killing of an animal.

I am trying to say I agree that Vick is a sorry, sick fuck who needs to...

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feeds@yuku.com (ColonelJohnSartoris) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:07:24 GMT

Ah, I see what you did there. Lewis, notice that's "behaviour" with a U. On message boards that usually implies "you want to think twice before pressing that 'Reply' button, fellow."

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feeds@yuku.com (Rebheaded Stranger) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:05:38 GMT

Doing something without intent is actually a condition of punishment in criminal law. If I kill you by accident, it's not as bad as if I killed you on purpose. And it's my opinion that someone that would be involved for years in a dog killing ring is probably more sadistic and a greater danger to society than someone who is involved in a vehicular manslaughter where alcohol is involved.

Assface.

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feeds@yuku.com (LewisNixon) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:00:39 GMT

at some point during the Chancellor interviews. I guess I was confused by your original post which seemed to paint willful dog killing as worse than unwillful human killing.

But now that you have clarified that anything accidental is preferable over anything intentional, I guess I see your point as being the exact same point as you started with.

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feeds@yuku.com (Rebheaded Stranger) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:54:33 GMT

That's not what I said. I said that our society is more offended by someone who engages in a criminal practice that is sadistic in nature and shows a pattern of behaviour more than we are over an accident.

Who would you rather have as a neighbor? The guy who was involved in a tragic accident? Or the guy who for years had run a dog fighting operation via proxy?

I'll take my chances with Stallworth. It's not like I'm being a proponent of killing people with...

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feeds@yuku.com (LewisNixon) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:44:52 GMT

Just trying to clarify your point.

And when did choosing to drive blind drunk become accidental. With all the cool RAAAD commercials and all.

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feeds@yuku.com (Rebheaded Stranger) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:41:17 GMT

One is continued willful criminal conspiracy. This has nothing to do with dogs. People get behind the wheel after drinking all the time. It's a bad choice. And sometimes it yields tragic results. Putting your friends in charge of a mansion and running a dog fighting and gambling operation out of it is not anything for which most people would have sympathy.

Accident. Willful.

That's the difference.

And in terms of interest/societal groups, other than the...

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feeds@yuku.com (RebelWheels) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:34:42 GMT

Michael Vick was hounded, pun intended, by the press and special interest groups like PETA. Those people care more about the lives of dogs, fucking animals, than they do the lives of humans.

This is simply another human death. The media has no interest in going crazy over this; it just won't get the ratings, and it won't garner the support of any interest/societal groups.

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feeds@yuku.com (moonlakereb) — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:40:40 GMT

Has any athlete ever handled a situation better than Donte Stallworth? I hope he is a good guy and not just a product of a savvy agent. Point two texas has a player named Tant. Name me some similarities. Shode, Kizz, Trabia, I guess Welch could be one for you internet porn peers of mine.