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This is not on this topic at all, but I cannot start a thread because for some reason on Mozilla, all I can do is a "Quick Reply" to a thread. If I try to start one, it won't let me type in the text field.

My question is what's a good sturdy brand of Grove tent? We paid $200 last year for one at Kroger. I think it's EZ Up. Ole Miss logos all over it. Anyway, last weekend I set it up in the back yard and put our table and chairs under it, and left it up a couple days, thinking it would be fine. Well, I didn't use ropes and stakes or anything, and the wind was so bad one night earlier this week, it blew over and in the process every bolt holding every piece of the frame together bent at a 90-degree angle, and all the shitty plastic pieces holding the corners together broke. What a piece of jack shit. Now cannot even fold the piece of shit back up. I'm going to have to drag this crippled crab-looking frame out to the curb on trash day and kiss $200 goodbye.

What's a better kind that isn't so fucking flimsy?

Look California, this was days before the tornado shit. The thing sucks ass if it gets completely bent, with broken pieces and cheap hardware that bends absurdly, just from tumping over. It didn't blow wildly. It fell over onto its side. It is made cheaply and of shitty parts. Something you would not realize unless it blew over and got bent all the hell and back. I was always impressed with it in the Grove until this happened and it's just very clearly made of crappy materials.

I have never ever ever used stakes or ropes in the Grove with this thing, why should it occur to me in my backyard? Oh, as you noted, I'm stupid.

Yes, tump is a word.

I didn't ask what's considered the Cadillac of pop-up tents. I'm aware EZ is. I asked what kinds of tents are actually worth a shit and durable rather than "known" as the "Cadillac." Any tent is fine if the wind's not blowing very hard.

My wife bought this one in a grocery store after our original one was stolen from the Grove.